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The First Edition of the KMC Small Church Edition- Join Host Tom Bump and his guest as they begin a monthly series called The Kids Ministry Collective Small Church Edition. 

These special episodes will feature topics and guests that are smaller church leaders! We are super excited to share these with you

Check out for more things Small Church!

Join Tom Bump and his guest Jessica Bealer as they discuss why every Children's ministry needs to develop a Coaching structure vs a training culture. 

For many leaders in Children’s ministry the thought of building a coaching structure seems like the impossible dream. Or that establishing people to coach their ministry could feel unnecessary

My guest today shared some amazing information at Orange Conference along with her husband Frank. Jessica Bealer welcome back to the KMC!


Tell our listeners about what you’ve been up to lately and your work with Generis.


Ok, so I was in this breakout and was so struck by the importance of changing our thinking about what it means to have a coaching structure:  I heard it said in a different breakout but it fit with what you and Frank were going to share: We recruit all year long and most of us only do 1 or 2 trainings a year, so what does that mean for those we recruit in between?  I started to wonder if this isn’t why we have leaders who quit so quickly, because they just haven't been equipped well enough from start to finish.


Q1-What did you mean by we develop an effective coaching structure?

*teaching them how and why we do what we do? Coaching is on going- individual who is assigned and focused to develop leaders.

Coaches are to serve the leaders.


Q2-So most of us have a training mentality why do you believe a Coaching mentality/structure is the way to go?

  • Training events doesn’t connect with all your team, and coaching reaches all the team.
  • Its personal.
  • How can we put individuals in place that are “experts” to better lead the team?
  • So the training happens every week.

Create an onboarding coaching

Create an existing volunteer coaching.


Q3- So how does one go about setting up a Coaching Structure? What are the initial steps?

  1. You need to realize that you are pulling some of your Leaders away from the small group room. And ask them to step into a higher leader.  (they need to be your best) Don’t duplicate 2nd best. - They need to be good, but they need to be able to lead adults.

     *The goal is to take them off the roster and into a coach- (Huge hurdle)-

     * Help them realize what there Job is and what it isn’t.

     *Don’t let them do both.

     B.- Cast the vision to these new Coaches and what this model looks like.

         *Establish leadership and then coaches-

Q5- You gave a caution when it comes to the huddles a lot of us do pre-service: and shared that we often undermine the coaching strategy we focus on logistics: what else should we be aware of?

*You can define wins here.


Q6- So how would a small church leader implement this coaching model?

What would be the most important steps to take?

  • You still need someone to help you. - There will be a time where you can’t do it all anymore.
  • When you get to 10 or more volunteers, you need a coach.-
  • Looking for 2, a Coordinator and a Coach
  • 70% rule- If they can do it of what I can do, hand it over.
  • You are not looking for you, you want them to start with 70% of what you can do they won’t stay there for long they will go better.
  • You have to replace you.


We have to inspect what we expect!

When you hand something off. - go into your calendar and set up a recurring followup with them.


How can leaders learn more about this model? You have a coaching program opening up soon tell us about.

If you'd like to see the presentation notes from Orange conference


Join Tom Bump and his guest, Jason Tilley (

as they discuss how any leader can unlock creativity to solve any challenge they face in ministry.

Q1 So why is it that leaders can struggle with Creativity?

Q2: What can a leader do to get that Creativity back or stir it up inside of them?


Believe you are creative.

  • We are made in the image of a creative God and are therefore creative in our own right.
  • Believing a lie that you are not creative is a surefire way to keep it locked up.

Q3: So we work on our belief system to embrace the God-given creativity: where does one start?


Define the Problem

  • Make observations
  • Ask questions- Why does this happen?

*Get to the root.-


Q4: Sometimes it can feel overwhelming our outside our comfort zones to lead creatively, what do I need to do to make sure I’m moving forward?

*God-sized problems take God-sized solutions.


Assemble a team- doesn’t have to be staff-

  • Dreamers
  • Designers
  • Developers
  • Doers

Q5: So I’ve looked at a problem and have a good grasp on it, I’ve started defining the challenge I have and start observing some causes and maybe even solutions. I’ve started gathering some others who have gifts to help, what next?


Find Your Solution

  • A process by which the group finds a solution they want to try
  • Constraints and Context


Q6- this can seem very overwhelming to leaders especially if they struggle with having any help, what encouragement can you give?


Start Small

  • Prototype and iterate until you are happy with your solution


Make a Choice

  • Pivot or persevere.
  • Do I want to keep trying or is it time to look for a new solution?

Join Tom Bump and his guest Kent Currie as they discuss how any church can offer Day Camps. Kent has been doing these for years and offers some great advice and wisdom about how and why Day Camps can be a powerful ministry for churches to offer. 

Join Tom and Steve Cullum, Host of The Student Ministry Podcast as they discuss what they and 7,000+ people learned at Orange Conference 2019! 

They share many of the highlights from this years You Lead Day as well as from the Breakouts and General Sessions.

This year's theme was "It's Personal" and it was an amazing conference! 

If you know of a Student Ministry leader, be sure to share The Student Ministry Podcast with them 

Steve Cullum is a great leader and he shares some great wisdom on each episode!


If you're interested in Ministry Coaching check out KMC Coaching at click the Coaching Tab!

How to I win this Summer? How to have the most impactful summer?


We all win this summer by reaching more children and their families in our churches so how do we set our selves up to win?


Here are some things I’ve learned over the years and If I were sitting in a coaching appointment question I’d ask you.


1) What is does the best summer ever look like for your ministry? Describe it for me. What would you have accomplished by the end?

What events would you do?


2) What are the things (goals) you’d like to reach by summers end?


So ultimately what is your End Goal for the summer? Specifically, name your measurable wins.


Then, Ask Why are those my wins? Do you have a why?


Take your list and re-write them by the highest priority first.


3)What would have to be eliminated to accomplish those?


4) What would have to be added?


5)Who could help me accomplish these Goals?


6)What could be some challenges that stand in our way
 *Leadership, $$$, volunteers?


7) What steps do I need to take by what date to accomplish 1 of these (highest priorities) Who would lead? Who could assist?


8) When do I start? when do I finish?


AS you look through each of these steps you place on your calendar and set up reminders to help you along the way


Build your summer with intentionality and when you get to the end you will find yourself having a greater impact because you were fully prepared and focused.


If you need help, I have a few openings in the KMC Coaching.  If you go to and click on the coaching tab, you can enter your information there and put KMC Podcast. I will give you a free 1 hr session where we can dig into something you’re struggling with.  This is a special offer just for KMC Podcast listeners! So jump on and let's have a conversation.

This episode its just me, Tom Bump sharing from my heart about why every leader should consider some coaching. I am also excited to share that I'm launching KMC Coaching a ministry where myself and hopefully in the future others will be offering affordable coaching to those who desire to grow, develop and last as leaders.

For more info check out and click on the tab that says coaching.


Dr. Ron Hunter- Why WE can’t cant get family Discipleship wrong.

 *The church is here to make the family wonderful


*Our goal should be to help parents, help their children share God’s image.

 The church leader mindset:

 The parent mindset:


1/168= 1 hour in a week, is not enough


What can a leader do to help parents?

*Keep them informed about what’s going on every Sunday.

*Teach parents to teach their children to pray and how to pray with them.


*Create teachable moments

*Help them with Value Shaping


How do we start?

*Find a champion

*Equip them to partner with parents

*Communicate often 


Resource Mentioned

D6 Plus

Show Notes for Building Healthy Teams with Heidi Hensley



Building healthy teams is so vital to the success of our children’s ministries that it can often become a daunting task for leaders. Heidi is an amazing leader who has built great leadership teams that lead healthy teams of volunteers so this episode discusses how she builds into her teams so they can build into the volunteers a healthy culture.


How do You recruit your leaders?

*Know the holes you have and what specific gifts, talents, personality you want in that place.

*Don’t fall into “warm body syndrome”

*Don’t focus just on ratios.

Then when it comes to recruitment, be specific and intentional.



You do 5 things on a regular basis with your leadership that flows over to volunteer teams:


  1. Prayer- Healthy prayer times lead to unity, seals out sinful divisions.

            *Start every huddle with prayer for each other

            *it connects you heart to heart.

            *It’s the glue that keeps teams together.


  1. Show Interest- because what we do is work of the heart we need to know each other.

            *How well do you know your leaders hearts?

            *”Stalk your team” (In Jesus’ name) LOL! Pay attention to what’s going on                 in their lives

            *Makes larger churches smaller

            *They are your congregation- you shepherd them, they shepherd their                      teams.

            *Everyone needs a real person to do life with.


  1. Handle Business- Keep short lists

            *No excuse not to follow Matthew 18 with each other.

            *Don’t allow conflict to boil over or remain.

            *Just do it! Don’t put talking about off.


  1. Ownership- Don’t be a control freak.

            *Cheer your team on

            *Let Go or they can’t lead.

            *Let them learn to love kidmin like you love it.

            *Let them place their fingerprints on things.



  1. Have Fun- Laugh a lot!

            *Prompt laughter and not just at work.

            *When you laugh together you bond.

            *Create intentional times to enjoy each other

            *Playing together bonds

            *Don’t forget what Joy looks lke.

            *Take a trip to IKEA an have some random object fun. Its better than any                personality tests.

Sarah Muchie- More than “just” a Children’s Pastor


For many in our KMC community, you serve in multiple roles, especially if you serve in a smaller church. You know, you have the job description that has one big asterisk that says, and other duties as required. Which means anything and everything the Senior leader doesn’t want to do? LOL!


Today’s guest understands the challenges of wearing multiple hats in a church setting. It’s been a while but welcome back to the podcast, Sarah Murchie, aka formerly known as Sarah Bundy!


Quotes from the Show-

Ministry is about managing the interruptions.

Leaders wearing multiple hats must learn to manage others time and their own.

Learn to leverage others time so you can do the things you do best.


How do you leverage others time?

*Don’t ask for open ended commitments.

*Let them do what they are good at.

*Give the license to say no.

*Give them a solid why to bring clarity to the ask.


How do you set up Boundaries so you don’t burn out?

-Don’t make your day off a foreign thing.

-Leave work, at work.

-If they can do 75-80% let them do it all.


Stay connected to the church body- get into service, be visible.

Get in a small group



*Be flexible