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Jason Hensley- Church Security for Every Size Church


Everyone is more aware than ever that there is a need for having secure environments for our children’s ministry. Churches have become targets for those wanting to cause great casualties and so today’s kidmin leaders must be more diligent than ever.


Our guest today is Jason Hensley, The Director of Safety at Shadow Mountain Church in California and has oversight in the area of security. Welcome to the KMC podcast Jason Hensley.


Why secure a church? Proverbs 22:3!! Look it up!


Size shouldn’t matter when it comes to security protocols.


How/Where does one start when thinking about this ?

*See the Need- Understand the need- Walk around and ask, where are you vulnerable?

*Find someone who understands or has an interest in this idea.

*Develop Situational awareness: meaning- think: If this happened we would do______.

*Develop a Plan to respond to situations and then practice them, practice them practice them. (Evaluate what went well what did not. )

*Illustrate the Plan: see the Poster

            Steps on the Plan: Secure Campus




“If you don’t practice, its just a strategy.”


Don’t sit in denial and say it can’t happen here!


Develop a relationship with local law enforcement. Ask if they would walk through facility and make suggestions.

Invite them to practice in your facility.


What can you do with even no training?

*Create a “watchdog team” a group of people who observe and report. They are visible and paying attention to the environments.


Communication Plan- Develop how you communicate with rooms and with the Masses.

To Contact Jason:

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I (Tom) had the special honor of being interviewed on their podcast and they graciously allowed me to share it with my KMC audience.

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Join Tom Bump and his friends, Jason Tilley and John Tillman as they share highlights of CPC19 and each share some of their breakouts from this amazing Conference.

If you have not attended CPC you need to make plans now to get to CPC2020!!

Here's their notes:

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 Notes from John Tillman’s Breakout-

 Wounded Servant to Determined Warrior- CPC19 Handout-


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KMC Podcast #53- Sabbaticals and Sabbaths New Year New You!

John Tillman

Welcome back to the KMC Podcast, this episode is part of the Getting Started Right series and part of getting started right in a new year or new ministry is to make sure you are leading yourself well. Most people in ministry I encounter where Tired as a badge of honor and while they know its a problem, don’t seem too concerned enough to change. I feel God is prompting me more and more to call out our ministry leaders and say, we need to lead better by leading ourselves better. We MUST take care of our health, and our souls better in 2019 if we are going truly make an impact for the kingdom.

So I recently read a blog post from my friend John Tillman about Chance the rapper who declared to all the world he was taking a sabbatical to study the Bible-

Welcome to the Podcast John

John Tell me about the article and what you learned about Chance the Rapper?

I was struck by how Chance was so honest, recognizing that he couldn’t teach his new nephew about faith if he didn’t know the Bible. He was willing to admit his need and do something radical to address it. His intention and faith seem genuine and I thought that there were some smart things about what he did that we could learn from.

Ok, so in the blog you point out three great points about his sabbatical plan, I’d like to chat about those-


1 He had an outward, behavioral goal-  Why was that so striking to you?

Chance has been open about regretting his addiction to cigarettes. He has engaged in a fast from smoking, intending to make it a permanent lifestyle change.

A sabbatical should be different from other times. One way to help mark the time as different, sacred, is to make a physical, tangible, measurable change in diet or activity.

When you undertake a sabbatical, consider adding a fast of some kind and adding an activity that is out of your norm. Do something physical, tangible, and measurable to mark the time as different.

  1. He had a personal knowledge goal

Chance admitted that he was raised in faith and believed, but he had never read the Bible and wanted to increase his familiarity with it. He also has read from widely varied Christian authors such as Tim Keller and John Baillie.

When you engage in a sabbatical, direct engagement with God through the scriptures and prayer should be your primary focus. However, consider adding to your sabbatical some other reading. When choosing reading material for a sabbatical, resist the urge to read that best seller by that famous Christian author or pastor whom you already follow on Twitter. Reach farther. Instead of reading the pastor you already like, read the guy he learned from. Then read the guy that guy learned from.

Another direction would be to try reading outside your usual disciplines. Instead of reading theology, read about data science, or gaming theory, or design thinking, or marketing, or creative solutions in the marketplace.

  1. He Had a generational goal
  2. The inspiration for Chance’s sabbatical journey is ministry to the next generation. In the post announcing his intentions, Chance shared a video of him holding his nephew. Chance’s intention in all of his learning and study is to give his nephew “knowledge and tools.”

Jesus taught that the Sabbath, and by extension sabbaticals, are for us. But that doesn’t mean that they only focus on our personal needs. Jesus came out of his recorded sabbatical times with power, purpose, and vision for his ministry. So can you.

When you enter a sabbatical, have a goal related to how you will pass on, how you will act on, and how you will lead based on what you learn or experience.

A helpful tool for this would be to pray a Prayer of Examen. This prayer is a moment designed to refocus our lives and re-tune our hearts and souls. It is an opportunity to reflect, to find God in our midst, and to assess our motives, desires, struggles, and opportunities. For more on the Prayer of Examen see this short guide from The Park Forum.

Tiny Sabbaticals- Ok, now before we get into some practical ideas of how we can apply this idea. Lets talk the concept of sabbatical, because I already hear the listener saying, sure John, I don’t have the money like Chance, I don’t have the time like Chance, I can’t do a sabbatical.  I don’t have time, I don’t have money, I don’t really know how i would?

What would you say? What can a sabbatical look like? What should one plan to include in it?







You don’t have to go long distances, stay a long time, or spend much money to engage in the practice of sabbaticals. Instead of going somewhere far away go somewhere close. Jesus recommended prayer in a closet. Find a “closet” that is close to home that you can hide away in. It could be a literal closet, a church member’s lake house, a friend’s home out of town, or a neighborhood coffee shop or bookstore with a comfortable chair.

Take an afternoon. Take a day. Take a weekend. Sit. Read. Walk. Pray. It’s that simple and that complicated.

So let’s go back and make some ministry related application- for a leader who’s been struggling with IF they should design a sabbatical plan.

Outward Goals- what should a leader have as outward goals?

Anything different than the norm. Don’t do something you normally do. Do something that you don’t normally do.

Stop playing a game you usually play. Stop reading a social media site you normaly read.

Walk instead of sit. Take the stairs. Walk in a park. Add something new. Take a class. Try new recipes.

Knowledge Goals- what do these look like?

Again, step outside your norm. Do and learn something that will expand your knowledge, not just lead you to the same sources for the same answers you already get anyway.

Read the Bible.

Read about new technologies.

Read a first century theologian.

Read a reformation scholar.

Read someone outside your denominational affiliation.

Generational Goals- what and why are these so important?

Learn, rest, and work with the purpose in mind of passing on the benefit.

Pray at the beginning seeking a purpose. Pursue it during your sabbatical. Then look back at the end, asking God to help you see. What changed? What did you learn? Should you slow down? Speed up? Change course?

Pass it on;

So to wrap this up- Why should a person listening to this start today and schedule and make a sabbatical plan?


1-Start weekly and daily. Start small. God says, don’t despise small beginnings. God says be faithful in a little. Start by having a sabbath each week. And having a time of prayer, reading, and reflection each day. Distraction and overwork that prevent us from doing this are problems of value. We don’t properly value the sabbath. Otherwise, we wouldn’t miss it. Like the tithe that has to come out of your bank account first, take your sabbath out of the week first.

2-Plan larger times. Put it on the calendar and tell people about it. Tell your spouse. Tell your boss. Tell your friends. It’s okay to broadcast it.

3-Go small before you go big. Don’t plan a month long sabbatical if you’ve never taken an afternoon. Get humble and do what you can achieve. Through this your ability to plan and execute improves.

Wrap Up- John tell us about where your writings are posted and how people can subscribe-


The Park Forum

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Everyone is born, but not born organized.  Everyone CAN learn to be organized with some discipline and determination. 

One obstacle that doesn't have to be an obstacle is the feeling of being overwhelmed by all that needs to be done in ministry.

Jim states: Overwhelmed means you have lost the ability to break down big tasks into small steps.

God orders a mans steps  not jumps

How do you get organized?

 Start thinking in smaller steps- Take a big event and break it down

 *Put it on the Calendar and then work backward giving yourself small tasks with reminders to complete them in order. 

A. Plan- How do you spend your time- look at it like currency and spend wisely.

    * Keep track of your time.

B. Prepare- This is where you divide your "event" into smaller tasks.

   *Set up reminders on a Calendar 

   * Use a To-Do App ( ToDoist) 

** When you want to make firewood which is faster Manual tool or Power tool? Why use a manual tool when you can get it done faster and better by using a power tool?

Using the Calendar and a To-Do app, lets you set up priorities 

C. Evaluate Every Day- Take a look at how you actually spent your time and set up your next day. 

    * Look Back

    * Look Ahead

    * Look to Delegate and leverage someone's time, you get time back. 

Old Jim would tell Young Jim:

1) Set priorities and stick with them ( You'll know by looking at your calendar

     *Can you name them? Does your calendar prove they are priorities?

     *Block off time to keep them a priority. 

2) Evaluate your time based on priorities.

     Questions you should ask: Have I ever been more in love with Jesus than I am right now?

                                               How am I spiritually? How is my marriage?

3) Ask younger people to keep you current with tech and culture


The right tools are worth investing in so that you can be a good steward with your time and talents. 


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Join Tom Bump and guest Jason Tilley of Ministry Accelerator as they discuss all about how to make the most of attending a ministry Conference.

Some struggle with the investment but after listening to this podcast, we think you'll be ready to join us at a conference. 

Check out Ministry Accelerator and some of Jason's writings,


Join host, Tom Bump and his guest Keith Ferrin who's sharing about his newest book, "All About Family Ministry, The Expert Interviews" This new project features 20 Kidmin Leaders who share their passion for ministry. 

Its a must read!



Dr. Kevin Monahan is the Next Gen Pastor at 12Stone Church in Metro Atlanta, GA.  With over 25 years of ministry experience, he has ministry expertise in working with kids, middle school, high school as well as college student and young adults. Kevin has been married to his wife, Meghan, for over 18 years and has three children:  Jacob, Aidan and Olivia. He has a Master of Divinity in Counseling, as well as a Doctorate in Adolescent Development. He enjoys playing guitar, remodeling homes, playing soccer and equipping this generation to impact the world for Christ.

Nick and his wife Jennifer have been married for over a decade and are blessed with their 2 kids, Isaac & Mackenzie. Nick serves on the leadership team at Community Christian Church and leads the NextGen Ministry staff team. Nick loves to help church leaders work on their ministry (not just in it) and he is a certified Church StratOp facilitator, helping churches walk through the proven strategic planning process of StratOp. You can find his writing, free resources, and weekly interviews with family ministry leaders at

Show Notes:

What trends do you see in Kidmin and Family Ministry?

Greater sense of unity in the church and outside the church (churches working together more)

Uses of technology- the greater need for leaders understanding how to use social media and the best ways to leverage it to connect with the community and parents. 

More Tribe conversation and more tribes having conversations with each other. 

Using FB ads, email marketing

What are leaders doing well to develop leaders and their ministry?

More intentional about relational discipleship. 

Small groups are better at building those relationships and are taking kids and students deeper.

Better networking is being done now than before.

As far as developing leaders:

*Define what leadership looks like- coaching structures and leveraging part-time staff.

*Better alignment among ministries.

*Better training for volunteers.

*More intentional with creating healthier volunteer cultures.

What can leaders in smaller ministries do to develop leaders (principles still apply to larger churches as well.)

*Be clear with your roles- You must use job descriptions, put it on paper!

*Be Patient- it takes time to develop leaders and you must figure out a stepping up  process to help them take next steps in responsibility and ownership. 

*Be Encouraging- You need to be their champion and let them know it. Be intentional about your encouragement with cards, texts, and phone calls. Let them know how you see them growing and developing as a leader.

**Leadership creates space for others to lead** (Tweet This!) 

*You should ask, who can step into my role now and how can I help them become a better leader? start a process now to move them forward.

Invest time and resources into them. - conferences, books, podcasts. 

Create a team and teach them leadership principles. is set up to help leaders no matter what size church grow their influence and leadership level. They offer many types of training and are also parting with You-Lead Coaching from Re-Think Group 


The episode on Control Freaks mentioned 

The episode on Nick Blevins Podcast here   Tom talks with Nick about delegating and giving up control as a leader. 

Join Host Tom Bump with guests, John Tillman and Jason Tilley from Ministry Accelerator, org

They discuss the Power of Story and how to collect, clarify and utilize the power of story in ministry. 

Some great discussion in this episode and a couple of resources to check out.